Currently there’s quite a bit of chatter about XMRV and the impact it may have for those of us with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and Fibromyalgia. XMRV is a retrovirus. Similar to HIV.
It’s possible that this discovery could lead to a cure or a vaccine against these disorders. Or at least an answer as to what caused these disorders. Wouldn’t that be nice? It would be nice for those of us who have these disorders. But for the industry that has sprung up, and is making good money, to treat us… I don’t think they’re liking it too much.
All this talk reminded me of the time back when my fibromyalgia symptoms got very bad, towards the end of 2007. I was looking for anything that would help me get better and continue working. I had just gotten married, bought a new house and had a life and I didn’t want any of that to change, so I was grasping at anything that would help.
My primary care provider, a nurse practitioner, was amazingly competent in dealing with fibromyalgia. She has a sister with fibro and she put a lot of effort keeping herself up to date on possible treatments. That’s why she was willing to put me on narcotics while we tried to find something that would help. We went through so many drugs…but I just couldn’t handle the side-effects of most of them and none of them did much to relieve the pain.
Nothing helped with the short-term memory loss or my other cognitive problems. No matter what she did, I was going downhill fast.
My Trip to the FFC
So when I “discovered” the “Fibromyalgia and Fatigue Centers, Inc” (FFC) I didn’t do much in the way of research on them. To me, the name said it all. I wanted to get better fast and if their name had “fibromyalgia” in it, they must be experts, right? So I jumped ship on my nurse practitioner and called to make an appointment with the Fibro and Fatigue Center in Bellevue, Washington.
The center had just hired a new additional doctor, so I got right in. The doctor was not a local. I think she was from somewhere in eastern Europe and her accent was quite firm. But she knew her role and her patter. She was spitting out script at me and making me feel like she had all the answers. She spent about an hour talking to me and examining me.
She explained to me (as the assistant later translated) that Dr. Teitelbaum, the Medical Director of FCC (and the author of “From Fatigued to Fantastic” and “Pain Free 1-2-3″) had developed an immune system-boosting protocol that helps 91 percent (that’s over 9 out of 10) of their patients. She felt certain that if we got rid of the yeast in my system, fixed my thyroid and put me on natural hormone replacements I would be in that 91 percent of the fixed patients. Oh, well of course, sign me up!
So off I went to their in-house blood-takers. And oh my I gave blood. Thirty two different vials. But that wasn’t enough. They wanted urine, spit, poop, the works. Fun, huh?
After that, the “assistant” sat me down and had a talk with me. She explained everything the doctor had been telling me but I hadn’t been actually catching, because of the accent.
This time I got it, along with the price tag. Expensive? Oh yes. Did they take insurance? Oh no. That one hour visit with the doctor I didn’t understand? I think that was somewhere in the three to four hundred dollar range.
And then there was all the supplements that I needed to purchase from them in order to start me on the path to wellness. My body needed to be cleansed of the yeast, my nutrients needed to be upgraded and my immune system needed to be pumped up. Several hundred dollars later, I was told I could have an optional IV…they offered one for pain and another for cognitive difficulties. That was another couple hundred dollars a shot. Literally. I chose the cognitive IV (of course).
So after hanging out for another hour while the IV dripped, we scheduled another appointment for me to come back and get the results from all my tests. That visit would be less expensive. But still triple digits.
The IV gave me a bad headache that lasted a couple of days. No improvement in cognitive abilities noted. According to the nurse the effect was cumulative so I’d have to have several of the triple digit IVs before I’d really notice anything.
I started taking the supplements I was sold. I remember I started with a berry flavored drink ( with all my necessary vitamins and minerals, along with some other whiz-bang stuff) along with a B-vitamin pill. Along with a multitude of others…
And then there was the prescription to kill off the yeast. I was to take that at night so I wouldn’t get nauseous. That didn’t work out so well. After the first couple of days I had to give up on those pills because I was throwing up all night long. Not fun.
I got results!
Only a week went by when I got a phone call from the FFC. They had found a problem with my lab work results and I needed to be seen ASAP. So I dragged my husband in there with me. Maybe an answer at last?
The doctor explained, while the assistant translated, that I had some strange lab results that precluded them from working on me. So I would not be getting the natural (real versus horses urine) hormones or natural thyroid medication that they said would help me fight off the fibromyalgia symptoms.
Instead, because of the odd lab work, I was being sent to a gastroenterologist who had to do his thing. More blood work and a liver biopsy. But nothing was really that wrong with me…
Which, at that point, was fine by me. At this point, I’d spent several thousand dollars, gotten a headache and thrown up a bunch. And I really didn’t have all that much faith in the FFC.
I was having side-effects from their recommended supplements and prescriptions but not seeing any particular benefit. And they really couldn’t do anything more for me because my lab work was screwy.
By the time my lab results were back to normal, the eastern European doctor had quit FFC. And the main doctor had taken off to start her own practice. There were no doctors left at the Bellevue FFC. So that was pretty much the end of that story.
And now Dr. T’s opinion on XMRV
That was a couple of years ago. But I’ve noticed that Dr. Teitelbaum has been in the public quite a bit recently.
He’s been on the “Dr. Oz” show. He also has a blog in Psychology Today (of all places! Chronic Fatigue and Fibromyalgia are not psychological disorders…haven’t we made that clear enough yet?) where he talked about XMRV.
The post I’m referring to is entitled “Some Perspective on the XMRV Virus; Is XMRV just the latest CFS “infection of the month?” In which he is concerned that the XMRV research “not blind us to the rest of the research in the field.” And that “…with XMRV simply being one of many infections and problems in this illness…”
Excuse me?
So according to Dr. T XMRV is just a virus. One of many infections. What part of “retro” did he miss? This is not an ordinary “normal” virus. Retrovirus. Like HIV. This is a possible cause for Chronic Fatigue and Fibromyalgia. NOT a “normal” virus.
IT. IS. A. BIG. DEAL!
Because it Messes with his Protocol
He continues to downplay XMRV as just another virus that can be treated by his protocol. Because to do otherwise, would mess with his protocol. And the focus of his protocol is to “boost your immune system”.
Dr. T’s current protocol isn’t going to kill off that retrovirus. Why? XMRV is a retrovirus, similar to HIV. HIV cannot be killed by the current methods of “helping” their immune system. So it stands to reason, it won’t do much good against XMRV. ( Oops, did you hear that? The sound of Dr. T’s profits falling…!)
So somebody needs to tell Dr. T and FFC that XMRV is not “just another” virus, the products they sell are not effective against this retrovirus and to say anything else is looking for a malpractice suit.
I’m glad my lab work was screwy and FFC couldn’t continue “the relationship” with me. And after I went back to my nurse practitioner, she told me she’d sent at least a dozen patients over to the Fibromyalgia and Fatigue Center. No one was the better for it.
Guess they all must have been part of the nine percent that aren’t helped by Dr. T and FFC’s protocol.

Melissa
December 17th, 2009
Doesn’t surprise me. Have you been seeing all the reports over the past couple years of false results in the clinical trials for medications? Really though…if you were a pharm company and could find a cure for a disease, what would that mean to your bottom line? I’ve looked into some fibro treatments that sound awfully familiar to what you’ve described. Yet, although they offered a few printed personal testimonies, there was no clear ‘EVIDENCE’ that anything they offered really helped. And, there are so many natural herbs and supplements that can do what they offer for a fraction (and I mean a tiny fraction) of the cost.
This is where educating the public comes in. The uproar to cure AIDS and Cancer is simply because the public became aware of exactly how many people are effected! So, keep on spreading the word! We’ll have a cure and if the cure doesn’t come in our lifetime, something to assist us in living a “normal” life will!
Rosa
December 24th, 2009
I wanted to comment again before I make myself get up and do the things I must do today, Christmas Eve and here I am enjoying your blog more than anything else I can think of doing right now.
I’m glad I read this. I have the Fatigued to Fantastic book. Frankly, the fibro-fog and the book’s technical info didn’t mix well together. Someone bought me the powdered mix and it upset my tummy some but I didn’t see any great change. I think good vitamins are good for you but I haven’t been taking it lately.
I am really sorry you had this experience. I know what it is like to have hope and then to be not only let down but I think taken advantage of financially. Those folks sound like pure quacks to me.
You know one thing I do with my nurse practitioner, b/c she is trained in hypnosis. I haven’t been doing it over the past several months but am having a session soon. This is one therapy/treatment that I do see results with.
It isn’t a miracle, but in a way it is a tiny miracle when I have a day that I feel okay. When people ask me how I’m doing, I find that I often say, “Fair.” This disappoints some people and irritates others. Only a few can say, “Good.” Fair is pretty darn good you know! It took me a long time to get to fair so sorry to all those people who want me to say things like, “Terrific,” a word I hear around my town a lot.
Hypnosis can be used for many ailments. For me, it really helps give me a feeling of peace, hope, confidence, and relieves the anxiety and depression that comes with chronic illness, which has a large impact on those things. My therapist says it works well for me because I am very open to it. It is really nothing more than me getting into a very relaxed state and her making suggestions to me.
I’ve enjoyed your blog today. Thank you.
Kathy
December 24th, 2009
Rosa, I know what you mean about answering people when they ask how you’re doing. I mean, honestly, I don’t feel great but it only makes it worse for me when I tell people…I’d rather just by-pass that entire part of the conversation! When you said that I remembered a hilarious post about things we can say and I’ve been digging around and can’t find it. Best I could come up with was Adrienne Dellwo’s post on about.com http://chronicfatigue.about.com/b/2009/11/28/responses-to-how-are-you-with-fibromyalgia-chronic-fatigue-syndrome.htm
Melissa…yes, educating the public is helpful. But “normals” (stupid term, easy reference) just don’t get it. You could stick ten clothespins on their fingers and as soon as they’re taken off…normals go back to saying “why can’t you just shake it off?” or my personal favorite “oh I know how you feel!” Ugh. I read somewhere that one of the AIDS drugs was effective against XMRV in some trial (why do I not save these links!!) so got my fingers crossed that the cumulative effect from the HIV/AIDS, FMS/CFS and XMRV (wow, alphabet soup!)research puts a lightbulb over somebody’s head and answers erupt. Yes, that would be really, really cool.
Thank you very much for you comments ladies…and merry Christmas!
Jane Farmer
December 30th, 2009
I was intrigued when I read this article about the Fibromyalgia and Fatigue Center and their protocol. You see last Spring when I noticed that I was so tired I could hardly function through the day, I didn’t know a lot about fibromyalgia and even less about Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. I saw an advertisement that promised a cure. “Sign me up” I said when I called the 800 number to make my appointment with the girl who seemed so concerned about my fatigue. “Ahh, someone who cares and understands” I thought. I didn’t care how much it cost, I just wanted to be well. I can’t say that I wasn’t treated well at the FFC. Everyone was nice as I pulled out my pocketbook. I signed up for 8 intravenous treatments and I don’t remember maybe 4 “energy” injections in the rear, I finally decided $4000.00 dollars later, that I was no better so now I see a rheumatologist who tells me that I might get 50% better. At least he is on my insurance plan while I try how to figure out how to pay off the FFC, make my $450.00 a month cobra insurance payment and keep Toyota from repossing my car. Nope, I don’t think Dr. T’s protocol works and I feel sorry for those who like me are being suckered into thinking all will be well. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
Kathy
December 31st, 2009
Jane, Thanks for dropping by! Sounds like we’ve had similar experiences with FFC. You know I haven’t met too many people that have been helped by FFC. Some of the supplements recommended by “From Fatigued to Fantastic” have helped me…for instance the magnesium took the edge off my bone pain. But still saying that they help 91% of all patients that cross their doorstep? Please.
mary
January 9th, 2010
I also went to visit the clinic in Bellevue, What a scam! It is terrible that they take advantage of so many people who are so sick.
Matt
February 4th, 2010
I have known a few people ripped off by these clinics.
I am looking for others who were who are interested in joining complaints to the medical boards where they were treated/ripped off.
Kathy
February 10th, 2010
Feel free to use my story about the Fibro and Fatigue Center, Matt. The whole “XMRV is just a virus” has got my panties is such a twist! So yes, I think FFC needs to be outed for their high-priced and relatively ineffective treatments.
Kathy C.
February 18th, 2010
Thank you so much for posting your story. I have been considering going to the FCC for a couple of years now but my doctor did not encourage it because he felt it was a scam but I am so desperate to feel better that I was willing to give it a shot, now after reading your story, I will keep my money and keep my doctor, who may not have all the answers but has my best interests in mind. I am interested in finding a good support group in Washington but have not been successful, does anyone have any suggestions? The pain has really caused my emotions to go out of control. Thanks again!
Kathy
February 25th, 2010
Kathy, I agree with your doctor…however some people sing FCC’s praises. I don’t know what to think of that.
I tried a “live” support group when I lived in Seattle. It was not a good experience. Lots of whining and gnashing of teeth and picking on each other. Got enough of that going on at home, thanks (kidding!). I’ve had a lot more success with online support groups such as Chronic Babe and Patients Like Me. There are quite a few of them out there, but those are the ones I’ve migrated to and made friends on. Okay, they’re online friends…if I have to qualify it, but it’s one heck of a lot better than whining, gnashing of teeth and picking on each other. And it beats isolation with a really big stick!!
cliff thompson
March 24th, 2010
i’m thinking about going to this FFC in Troy Michigan
No moneys out of pocket as of yet
but would like some input on this subject
that’s Chronic fatigue syndrome, etc. Fibro
thks
cliff
Kathy
March 24th, 2010
Cliff, if I had it to do over again, I would not have gone to the Fibro and Fatigue Center. It was a lot of money out of pocket for treatment that didn’t help me. But that’s me…and that’s my opinion. Good luck to you!
dani
March 30th, 2010
please do not feel that you can do things all the time just because you managed it once. that is not the case, at least to with everyone. overdoing it can lead to very harsh consequences. you dont’ “just need a purpose”. you have a perplexing illness that allows you to do things at some times & not at others. please dont’ hurt yourself with this “i’m just lazy” kind of thinking.
Wendy Ciarci
May 2nd, 2010
Good post. I went to the FFC in Norwalk Ct. Same experience. I didn’t buy their vitamins though, I just looked up the ingredients and purchased cheaper ones at prohealth.com. I belong to the Phoenix Rising forum and I highly suggest them. Lots of smart and supportive people. Lots of posts on protocols. Many with CFS have a methylation block and supplements to enhance methylation help. It is called the Yasko protocol. I am pretty high funtioning now, but still have flares. I work full time, garden etc.
Wendy
Kathy
May 9th, 2010
I was amazed by Phoenix Rising, so much info! I’ll have to look up the Yasko protocol. Sounds interesting, thanks for sharing!